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« Reply #30 on: March 14, 2008, 07:27:52 AM »
Every point I brought up was validated. I feel safer in the wood with a trained markman, than riding my bike on the street with soccer mom juggling a cell phone and a Snickers bar in a Chevy Suburban.
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« Reply #31 on: March 14, 2008, 09:29:11 AM »
You're missing the point. It's a bad location for a shoot, it violates state laws, and it's just plain wrong to to hunt that close to a multi family residence.

I would even concede to your 'points' (if I hadn't already agreed with most of them from the start), except the location decision and the idea that this human being is infallible. And like it or not, the location decision indicts the whole process.

I've told Dannenberg in the past that I have no problem with the hunt, just the use of high powered weapons near where people live. I bought his points and FOW's decision then, and I buy it now.

What I don't buy is setting up the hunt 60yds outside an apt. complex. Dannenberg has not addressed that as yet, and frankly neither has anyone else.

Remember, this is a righty questioning this, not a lefty.
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« Reply #32 on: March 14, 2008, 09:35:20 AM »
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« Reply #33 on: March 14, 2008, 11:41:27 AM »
It doesn't violate state shoots.  A municipality can spersede state rules (look at the old way Philly delt with CCW's) sometimes.

Once again, a state dept., the PGC, ok'd this hunt, so how can it violate ste laws when the state gave the green light?
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« Reply #34 on: March 14, 2008, 12:02:35 PM »
Quote from: fishnchips on March 14, 2008, 09:29:11 AM
And like it or not, the location decision indicts the whole process.

It does not.  First we don't know if they are shooting there.  Even if they are, we don't know what they are using.  We don't know how they would do it.  It is an open area and it also is down the hill a good bit from the apts....down the hill and farther away from the houses across henry.   And pretty far away from the two houses that are down wises.

Maybe they are ninjas?
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« Reply #35 on: March 14, 2008, 12:07:02 PM »
It's the cats, watch out for the cats!!!!!
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« Reply #36 on: March 14, 2008, 12:23:33 PM »
Having done night shooting, and with the reportes 1 to 1 shot to kill ratio, I still feel safer with this guy out there than most Philadelphia Policeman (sorry if there are any on PMBA) with hi-cap Glocks. How many times have your heard an officer unloading their whole clip at a sustect, wounding or killing innocent people, while only hitting the intended target once, if at all. Called "Spray-n-Pray".

I DOUBT the sharpshooter is using the same "Spray-n-Pray" methods some "trained" shooters use. Some of these trained marksmen are ex-military, and the accuracy in incredible. Even I could do what he is doing, but don't feel like freezing my n_uts off in a tree stand. My friend works for a high-end LE and military optics company, and you would be amazed at what you can see and how magnifies it can get. I DOUBT we have a Rambo out there.

If anyone has ever biked French Creek during hunting season, those are the weekend warriors of hunting. I NEVER go to French Creek on a Saturday durng slug season. Maybe bow or muzzle-loader.

I am stepping off my soapbox now.
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« Reply #37 on: March 14, 2008, 12:28:55 PM »
We should have the first annual Wissy Biathlon. Climb the monster, then dismount to the prone position, and shoot a series of targets with an non-lethal weapon.
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« Reply #38 on: March 14, 2008, 01:07:41 PM »
State law says you can't hunt within 150 yards of a dwelling without the occupants' permission. I doubt the residents at 7901 even know about the hunt outside their windows let alone gave permission. Even if the marksman has the authority to break state laws, it doesn't make it right.

Chuck, You realize we've been discussing hypotheticals from the start right? I'm not sure how many times I have to qualify that? Problem so far is none of the powers that be have addressed or denied that a cull was taking place in that location, so it's looking increasingly like one was. It might not indict the process in your eyes, but it does in mine, and tragically my opinion matters as much as yours.

And it seems we have the location mixed up. I'm taking about here: http://tinyurl.com/2jvvcg (click aerial view). Maybe halfloop can verify.

DrSaw, you may keep your weapons at home, and you may load you ammo, but you don't shoot in the backyard. You could easily build a 100% safe range, but I bet you your neighbors wouldn't like it. I'm glad you realize that at least some people with guns can make mistakes!

Let's make it clear. I'm all for the cull; I don't mind if all the deer are gone from the park and end up on my dinner plate. And what's more I raise the concern in defense of the cull.

It's a poor location if in appearance alone, and that's all there is to it. So if the commission and all of us at the FOW want to keep things low key and avoid controversy, we'd better make sure the hunter doesn't shoot at deer 60yds from a populated family apartment block.

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« Reply #39 on: March 14, 2008, 01:27:10 PM »
You do know if they make it public the locations or even methods they could/will run into a whole bunch of issues?

I was just pointing out how many safe ways you could kill deer in that location.  You seem to be saying that's impossible.   Yes, mistakes can be made, but its the professionals job to minimize them.  The history and facts we have seem to suggest they are good at doing this.

I did not say my opinion matter more than yours.  I simply pointed out how that situation could be other than what you suggested.

Hypothetically, I could get struck by a meteor right now.....
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« Reply #40 on: March 14, 2008, 01:46:29 PM »
Quote from: Chuck U on March 14, 2008, 01:27:10 PM
You do know if they make it public the locations or even methods they could/will run into a whole bunch of issues?

Exactly, why then do it in such a conspicuous place, safe or not?
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« Reply #41 on: March 14, 2008, 01:53:27 PM »
Maybe because at 2 in the morning it's fine.  Maybe because they feel it's a good location to carry this out, and it outweighs that there are apts near.  Or maybe they aren't even shooting there.

I don't know.  But I think if they are trained the way it seems, their judgment should be better than any of ours....
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« Reply #42 on: March 14, 2008, 02:26:48 PM »
[grabs popcorn.......sits back Shocked]
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« Reply #43 on: March 14, 2008, 02:55:26 PM »
Quote from: fishnchips on March 14, 2008, 01:07:41 PM
State law says you can't hunt within 150 years of a dwelling without the occupants' permission.

That's a good law... Get permission. Sign up with cryo lab, get frozen, thawed 150 years later, piss for 30 minutes (who can get this reference) then go hunt!
Oh wait... there are new residents. Need new permission...
Repeat...

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« Reply #44 on: March 14, 2008, 03:21:39 PM »
fishnchips,

Your location: http://tinyurl.com/2jvvcg (click aerial view) is exactly where I saw the deer eating.  They may use these baited areas to take an inventory of the deer population and determine which locations are best suited to utilize the sharp shooter.  I think this has been going on since 2001 according to FOW website.  I can't find the totals anywhere on the web but I remember hearing it was like over 200 deer in the first 1-2 years ~ this may be Wissy + Pennypack.  I think the desired number of deer for Wissy is 30.

With the amount of bikers in the park, I would have thought there would be other sightings of feed zones. Huh
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« Reply #45 on: March 14, 2008, 06:24:39 PM »
We all need to move away from the park we love to ride, raze our swellings, replant native plants, and let the deer population get back to normal. You can't have your park and eat it too!
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« Reply #46 on: March 18, 2008, 12:23:50 AM »
I'll eat bullets for breakfast. "I'll put mustard on them and eat the fucking things..." Jerky Boys
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« Reply #47 on: March 18, 2008, 09:58:19 AM »
So what time is the curfew at the park? And is this happeningnow? I know a few guys who do rides that sometime end around Midnight. I would hate to have not told them about this and an "incident" occured.

This might have been posted earlier in this discusion, but I couldn't find it, sorry.

Thanks.
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« Reply #48 on: March 18, 2008, 10:06:12 AM »
The current curfew is 8pm to 6am. If you go out make sure you wear antlers on your helmet.
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« Reply #49 on: March 18, 2008, 02:17:53 PM »
Two more questions I am sure were answered somewhere else:

Does this affect Pennypack Park as well?
When does it end?
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« Reply #50 on: March 18, 2008, 02:30:02 PM »
Not sure about Pennypack. Curfew ends March 31. Happy riding and hunting!!!!
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