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« on: January 20, 2007, 10:08:26 AM »
Trail Etiquette... for the visiting dirtjumper

Et'i-quette" (et'i-ket") n. the conventional requirements of polite behaviour; properties of conduct; good manners

To say dirtjumpers are sensitive about their trails, is an understatement. Dirtjump trails are their very private, personal work of art. Like a HotRodder who's spent years building up his car, if you sit your dumbass on top of the hood of his '65 GTO with your wallet chain hanging from your pants scratching his paint job, you WILL die a horrible death. The same holds true for messing up someones dirtjumps.
If you're lucky enough to get invited to someones trails, or you by chance find a trail on your own, you have to realize that someone spent a lot of time, a lot of hard work, a lot of coming back day after day maintaining them, redesigning them, and putting their heart into creating those jumps, so be respectful. You could probably break a dirtjumpers bike, and it wouldn't upset them nearly as much compared to trashing their lips. So before you start cranking to the first jump, here are some things you should know, and ways to act when visiting someone elses trails.

BE NICE TO THE LOCALS... If you were not invited to a trail, and wander into one without knowing anybody, don't just get on your bike and ride. Talk to whoever is there, ask who built the place, talk to the locals and befriend them before you ride. Don't be shy to ASK if you can ride THEIR trails, locals will rarely say no when asked, they just want to be recognized for what they built and want to feel secure that you're not going to wreck the place.

BRING A SHOVEL... There's nothing that locals like to see more, than a visitor who is willing to dig. Bringing a shovel with you says that you've got some dirtjump experience, that you appreciate what it takes to build a trail, and that you'll help the locals dig. Also, it's good if you can dig before you ride, for the locals will be more forgiving to you when you mess something up after a crash knowing you've already put in an hour or so of digging for them.

DON'T SHAPE A JUMP... Bringing a shovel with you may bring a smile to a local's face, or it may strike fear into their hearts. The last thing a local wants is someone to reshape their jumps, so don't start modifying anything. Even if you're good at it, it may not be the way they like it done at their trails. The best thing you can do, is have your spade shovel ready to move large piles of dirt when they ask you to, not to shape anything. Let them do the fine work, while you stick to the laborer work.

IMMEDIATELY FIX WHAT YOU BREAK... If you're visiting someone else's trail, and you're not as good as Fuzzy, you'll probably crash, ghost your bike, or simply case the jumps for awhile before you get the place dialed (or like me, do all of those at the same time). Whenever your bike takes a piece out of the jumps, make sure you immediately fix it. Don't wait until after another run, fix it immediately, and do a good job.

DON'T ABORT A JUMP ON THE LIP... If you just overjumped a landing, and know you're not going to make the next jump, either stop quickly in the pit without skidding your tires (having a front brake makes this easy), or sacrifice your bike and ghost it, or go for the jump anyway and bail in the air. Whatever you do, don't stop on the takeoff and roll your tire over the lip, or worse, plant your big feet on the lip. The main priority is to protect the lip at all costs. No one cares about casing a landing, what they care about is the takeoff lip, so protect it at all costs.

NEVER FILL IN A DOUBLE... This obviously applies only to beginner riders who are scared of jumping a trail. Sometimes when the trails are empty and no one is around, they'll 'fill in' a small double with a sheet of plywood or something, turning the double into a tabletop. The problem with this is that they'll end up 'rolling over' the takeoff, destroying the lip, and forcing the locals to spend hours fixing what they ruined. If you can't jump a double, then go build your own tabletop somewhere else, don't be a trail vandal just 'cause you suck.

NEVER RIDE WHEN IT'S WET... If it has rained recently, and the ground is still wet, don't ride the trails. Even though you may be able to ride them, you'll be grooving up the jumps, basically ruining them. This is the number one way of getting locals to want to kill you. If the ground is moist, go ride street instead.

DON'T ADVERTISE THE LOCATION... Dirtjumps exist because locals built them. Dirtjumps continue to exist because their location is kept a well guarded secret. If you're lucky enough to find out where a trail is, keep it to yourself. Don't put up a webpage listing the location of a trail, unless you want the locals to hunt you down and make you eat your computer.

DON'T LITTER, AND TAKE YOUR GARBAGE WITH YOU... I know this sounds all too obvious, for if you ever litter anywhere, then you're just a loser, period. But even if you see garbage cans at the trails, do the locals a favor and take your garbage out with you when you leave. Don't add to their garbage problems. This of course doesn't apply to cracked forks and other broken bike parts, which may be publicly displayed hanging from a tree, a warning to others of the war between steel and dirt, and the helpless victims killed in battle (that being your bike).
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« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2007, 02:25:34 PM »
You make some valid points. Dirtjumping is truly an art that most people cannot grasp. With all due respect, here's some things to consider.

Do you own the land?

Did you get permission to build?

If you answered no to either one of these questions, then you have no right to make rules or tell people that they must have permission to do anything. I know it sucks. If you are building on public land, you must keep the public in mind when you are designing your builds. Unfortunetely, just because you spend time moving heavy dirt and rocks for countless hours, it does not make it yours. Unless you do in fact own the land. Always respect the land.

Well gaurded? In order for something to be well guarded it would need a 10 foot high fence with patrolling dogs. If you build it, they will come. Stop fooling yourself.

We all have much respect and appreciation for all your hard work. Keep it possitive. I will lend a hand whenever I can.

TC

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« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2007, 10:48:34 AM »
well, i dont own the land, and no...i dont get permission to build. most places will not allow this and never will due to simple liability. its more of a matter of respect. i dont think most guys "just riding along" understand or appreciate the amount of effort that is put into such a project. dont get the wrong idea, places like this are for ALL to enjoy. its not about ownership. i went back to my favorite park the other day to see the lips of the doubles i built up destroyed. it took about 5 hours to build them up, and didnt even have the time to hit them. i came back a week later to see my hard work tampered with. wtf is up with that? plain ignorance.
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« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2007, 11:14:41 AM »
I hear ya. Now I know why you are trying to get the word out on respect. It's good that people understand some of these unwritten and often unknown rules. Don't worry though. When something of mine gets taken down, I just rebuild and try to learn from my mistakes and the reason why it was taken away. Come back smarter and stronger. Most people who would destroy something, are weaker than the person who has the motivation to build it in the first place.

Have a good ride
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« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2007, 12:36:53 PM »
i didnt make these rules...its just for people to read and absorb. you and i both know how much gets accomplished when more than one person willingly donates thier time to meet an accomplished goal. im not trying to imtimidate riders from hitting FR spots. im just asking for more involvement from those who dont think its important to lend an extra hand.
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« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2007, 06:58:11 PM »
Some excellent points there madmavic. But Tom is correct in saying that until this group can take some sort of "ownership" on our beloved FR parks, similar to the "lease hold" by the YMCA (or whoever runs the rope climbing area,) we are at the mercy of other users and park officials. We can't be there all the time to police the area, but maybe with some approved signage in the future, we can educate people that certain areas are "special" and need to be treated appropriately.

Personally I am not good at dirt-jump style hits with sharp, steep lips. I prefer smooth, ramped take-off that are more high speed, and I like going long distances in the air...  I guess I get that from my days racing motocross... Anyway, we can certainly have both types of moves in the park, and when it is legit, we will make a world class system...
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« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2007, 08:16:23 AM »
 i understand many people have different styles and i respect that 100%. FR areas are built with everyone in mind. That is a difficult thing to do. if i had the energy to build such a place i would. simply put, im only concerned with tailoring projects to the likings of people who actually get thier hands dirty. the more people who are willing to grunt a little the more rounded our great trail systems of philadelphia will be. Not everyone will subscribe to this idea and there will always be conflict. Im just asking the people who really do have a passion for this sport to start acting neck down.

and btw, im sure we have all ridden/hung out at the same spots more that enough times to throw around some dirt and acheive a FR equilibrium.
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« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2007, 10:13:48 AM »
Thanks for the outline on etiquette. The points make a lot of sense, but I'm scratching my head here asking myself how you can put forth such rules of "etiquette" when apparantly the trails themselves are illegal. Where's the etiquette in building a trail on land you don't own or have premission from the landowner to build on? Perhaps I'm missing something here. Help me to understand.

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« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2007, 03:28:46 PM »
Thanks for the outline on etiquette. The points make a lot of sense, but I'm scratching my head here asking myself how you can put forth such rules of "etiquette" when apparantly the trails themselves are illegal. Where's the etiquette in building a trail on land you don't own or have premission from the landowner to build on? Perhaps I'm missing something here. Help me to understand.

Thanks,

Bob

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« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2007, 02:24:52 AM »
Hey man check this out.

http://www.imba.com/resources/trail_building/build_freeride_park.html
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« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2007, 11:57:07 AM »
Dude I was looking at that for hours! What a wealth of good information at our disposal. As soon as we get approvals, which we will get, this will come in handy. Can you imagine?!?!?!?!?  Shocked
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« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2007, 01:16:22 PM »
I really like how they have all the progressive lines set up next to each other. What a sweet design. We can do it!!!
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« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2007, 05:21:10 PM »
good info in there! the thaw has arrived!! the 18 step plan is a great way to go about things. I recommend all freeride/ dirt jump enthusiasts incorperate these steps/guidelines into thier riding and building! once there is a legitimate plan to build a park i will enslave monkeys to do all of the dirty work. i will instruct them to build a skills coarse with skinnies and flinging poo!! All with  park/landowner consent of coarse. i know it's sort of out of seaseon but; anyone know where to get 15 monkeys and a banana tree this time of year? Wink
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